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congress from michigan. more voters in michigan cast a ballot for a democratic member of congress than cast a ballot for a republican member of congress. and it was by quite a lot, by a couple 100,000 votes. overall, more michigan voters wanted to send a democrat to congress to represent them than wanted to send a republican to represent them. guess who is actually going to congress to represent them? ah, yes, republicans. michigan's congressional delegation will include almost twice as many republicans as democrats, even though more people in michigan picked a democrat when they voted for congress. republicans got nine seat and the democrats got five. what has happened in michigan is not some sort of miscounting of the votes. it is not a mistake. it is weird quite deliberately, and weird by design. elected officials draw up new districts for electing members of congress in state legislatures every ten years after the new census. well, republicans were in charge this time around in michigan, so it was the re
congress from michigan. more voters in michigan cast a ballot for a democratic member of congress than cast a ballot for a republican member of congress. and it was by quite a lot, by a couple 100,000 votes. overall, more michigan voters wanted to send a democrat to congress to represent them than wanted to send a republican to represent them. guess who is actually going to congress to represent them? ah, yes, republicans. michigan's congressional delegation will include almost twice as many...
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how do you think it will change things in the state of michigan? fifth iest union state in the country. >> it's showing you what is happening in the rust belt. you have had it happen in wisconsin and indiana. weakening of the grip of unions. we saw when the auto went in collapse, auto company in the south, transplants did well because they weren't saddled with the union wages but also the union work rules, which are insane. so i think will be l be loosening of the grip. way to stay competitive. >> astonishing this is all happening in the heart of union land, historically. i will add to charles, because it's the lightning round that ohio is next possibility. harder go there. it would have to be done by ballot initiative, weakening the union. >> john: five seconds or less. >> i agree with everything they said and the key is eliminating the dues check off on the public sector union of michigan because that is where the democratic party gets its money. >> john: senate voted for. see where that goes. thank you all. that is it for the panel. stay tuned t
how do you think it will change things in the state of michigan? fifth iest union state in the country. >> it's showing you what is happening in the rust belt. you have had it happen in wisconsin and indiana. weakening of the grip of unions. we saw when the auto went in collapse, auto company in the south, transplants did well because they weren't saddled with the union wages but also the union work rules, which are insane. so i think will be l be loosening of the grip. way to stay...
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we have a michigan republican controlled legislature right now. is that why you dove into this now while you could? >> tracy, thanks for joining us. this is a monumental night because it's a monumental win for michigan's workers. we kept the focus on the workers, their freedom to choose which organizations to join and what they don't want to join. we know there were clashes. we know people demonstrated inappropriately, but good stories as well. cleanup happening on the lawn by the demonstrators, but the point is throughout it all, we have to keep focus on people going to work every day to literally build our state. tracy: right, because now it's easier to woo companies into michigan to bring jobs; right? the states like south carolina, alabama, texas, have seen a boom in companies coming to work there because, well, it's easier, and it's cheaper african-american they don't have to -- and they don't have to deal with the unions. >> two policy conversations that happened, and then there was the political. the democrats and union bosses focused on th
we have a michigan republican controlled legislature right now. is that why you dove into this now while you could? >> tracy, thanks for joining us. this is a monumental night because it's a monumental win for michigan's workers. we kept the focus on the workers, their freedom to choose which organizations to join and what they don't want to join. we know there were clashes. we know people demonstrated inappropriately, but good stories as well. cleanup happening on the lawn by the...
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right to work law in michigan. that is the union paradise. let's bring in robert costa who by the way is the newly reported national review editor. congrats on your promotion. i wanted to ask you. if it could happen in michigan a right to work law that gives individuals real choice where next? >> look republicans had a horrible 2012 but they still hold seats. they have an appetite for having labor fights. you are going to see them go into pennsylvania. it could happen. a lot of governors are going to start looking at their own states. does this slow that down? does it remind mr. obama and his left of center allies what happened in wisconsin they tried to recall the governor and it didn't work. and now it is spreading to michigan. does it have political implications in dc? sure. that is the big story right now. he has spoken to the workers protesting in the streets. this is the second term battle. how he is going to stand with the unions. go after them. how dbig a force are they going to be on the national stage? >> you are going to see them r
right to work law in michigan. that is the union paradise. let's bring in robert costa who by the way is the newly reported national review editor. congrats on your promotion. i wanted to ask you. if it could happen in michigan a right to work law that gives individuals real choice where next? >> look republicans had a horrible 2012 but they still hold seats. they have an appetite for having labor fights. you are going to see them go into pennsylvania. it could happen. a lot of governors...
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michigan becomes the 24th so-called right to work state. this is being pushed by people like the koch brothers over all over the country. what does it mean, right to work? it prints requiring workers to pay union dues. it curbs the political power of labor and reduces collective bargainenbargaining rights. you do have to give your dues to the union but it's an optional tax law. how many people would pay tax it is it was just optional, not a lot, right? the way to destroy the unions by taking that money out of the system even though the unions wind up representing all the workers in most of those scenarios. now the other objective is to get the workers to fight with one another. the guys who want to pay the dues. the guys who don't want to pay the dues. this is how brilliantly it worked in michigan as the workers fight each other. >> i support everybody. i'm not for myself. >> it shouldn't be a condition of employment that you have to join an union and have to pay dodues as a condition of employment to feed your family. >> cenk: oh, the koch
michigan becomes the 24th so-called right to work state. this is being pushed by people like the koch brothers over all over the country. what does it mean, right to work? it prints requiring workers to pay union dues. it curbs the political power of labor and reduces collective bargainenbargaining rights. you do have to give your dues to the union but it's an optional tax law. how many people would pay tax it is it was just optional, not a lot, right? the way to destroy the unions by taking...
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factors say it will bring back jobs to michigan. critics claim it will lead to lower wages and fewer benefits. the governor, the republican governor just signed the bill about an hour ago making michigan the 24th state to be a right-to-work state in the u.s. mike tobin is on fox top story. is he live at the capitol in lansing. i just we just heard from the governor, right, mike? >> we did. we heard from the governor with a column of state troopers in riot gear surrounding his office building from. behind that column of protection he made his announcement that right-to-work is now a reality. here in michigan the cradle of organized labor and the governor explained why. >> fortrong reasons. first of all, worker choice. the freedom to choose and the concept of more and better jobs for our state. i think it was a good thing to sign this legislation and move forward. [shouting] >> the demonstrations did get tough. tent americans for prosperity was toppled by union demonstrators with people inside. there were no significant injuries. ther
factors say it will bring back jobs to michigan. critics claim it will lead to lower wages and fewer benefits. the governor, the republican governor just signed the bill about an hour ago making michigan the 24th state to be a right-to-work state in the u.s. mike tobin is on fox top story. is he live at the capitol in lansing. i just we just heard from the governor, right, mike? >> we did. we heard from the governor with a column of state troopers in riot gear surrounding his office...
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michigan deemed itself a right-to-work state. with legal cllenges and recall efforts already in the air, what is next for the state? does this mark the beginning of the end for unions? let's ask james shirk, and chip merlin. chip i'm going with you first, everyone wants to know the legal ramifications, can the unions come back to appeal this. >> they can try to appeal, whether not they would win is anybody's guess, this equal protect argument, why did they carve out police officer and fire department, and everyone else is subject to this particular law that is not equal protect, the state of mhigan will sapphire fighters and police are important to our public safety, w is withholding union dues related to safety. >> that part you say could makes it way to a courtroom? >> it could. >> we've seen in ohio and wisconsin, they unkid the limb -- unkid the limited part of the law for collective bargains. >> in wisconsin, the law was thrown out but it was a different law from here in michigan, the michigan law and i first impression for
michigan deemed itself a right-to-work state. with legal cllenges and recall efforts already in the air, what is next for the state? does this mark the beginning of the end for unions? let's ask james shirk, and chip merlin. chip i'm going with you first, everyone wants to know the legal ramifications, can the unions come back to appeal this. >> they can try to appeal, whether not they would win is anybody's guess, this equal protect argument, why did they carve out police officer and...
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congressman from michigan mark shower who served in the michigan state legislature for 12 years. thank you both for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> my pleasure. >> eliot: mark, let me begin with you. how could this happen in michigan? this is the bluest state we get. union movement has deep roots a deep history. what explains the dynamic that suddenly a right-to-work law a label i reject, how could this law pass in michigan? >> the irony is yesterday chrysler announced $120 million investment in michigan. 115 new jobs. michigan has helped lead the economic comeback for this country in part because of historic collective bargaining agreements between the detroit three and the united autoworkers. we have a labor management partnership that works. this, as you said was about politics. it was about gutting organized labor and the irony is i work for a labor management fund connected with a laborer's union and we invest almost $5 million a year in apprenticeship and training programs. we operate skilled workers to build complicated infrastructure projects like the governor wants to
congressman from michigan mark shower who served in the michigan state legislature for 12 years. thank you both for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> my pleasure. >> eliot: mark, let me begin with you. how could this happen in michigan? this is the bluest state we get. union movement has deep roots a deep history. what explains the dynamic that suddenly a right-to-work law a label i reject, how could this law pass in michigan? >> the irony is yesterday chrysler announced...
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want to bring jobs to michigan. for a generation or two things are declining. they looked to other states and say we'd like to be like indiana a change our fate. >> bob: let me ask you a question. they give them five days they had to under law. the state troopers were around who were exempt from this, by the way. the governor, the person you say is a mild mannered -- >> dana: don't. >> bob: what? i haven't said anything. >> dana: you are about to say -- i know what you are about to say. it's obvious, the tactic from the left are driving me crazy. they are not going to win friends or influence people by that type of behavior or attacking me because i say that the governor is a mild mannered guy. >> bob: you say he is mild mannered. i don't know him. but maybe he is. he signed the bill, refused a signing ceremony. done behind closed doors. >> greg: unlike the healthcare bill. >> eric: it was done absolutely legally. the people of michigan -- >> bob: voters -- no, they did not. >> eric: theyer with lechted. every one o
want to bring jobs to michigan. for a generation or two things are declining. they looked to other states and say we'd like to be like indiana a change our fate. >> bob: let me ask you a question. they give them five days they had to under law. the state troopers were around who were exempt from this, by the way. the governor, the person you say is a mild mannered -- >> dana: don't. >> bob: what? i haven't said anything. >> dana: you are about to say -- i know what you...
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beyond michigan. well here to answer that question is the chairman of michigan's democratic party he's mark brewer, the nation's longest-serving party chairman. he joins us from lansing. he knows this stuff in and out. mark, thanks so much for being here in "the war room" on this sad and infuriating night. >> thank you governor. it is great to be with you as always. >> jennifer: all right. tell us what does the success of these bills mean for the democratic party in michigan? >> certainly the intent of the republicans is that this be a mechanism to defund, to hurt money that goes to the democratic party. we've obtained rid of videotapes of ron wiser and others talking about this governor. >> jennifer: tell people who ron wiser is. >> ron wiser is the former chair of the republican party here. rich is the dnc finance chair. he along with your former opponent, dick devos and other rich folks have been planning this for years. they couldn't get away with it while you were governor but they saw their oppo
beyond michigan. well here to answer that question is the chairman of michigan's democratic party he's mark brewer, the nation's longest-serving party chairman. he joins us from lansing. he knows this stuff in and out. mark, thanks so much for being here in "the war room" on this sad and infuriating night. >> thank you governor. it is great to be with you as always. >> jennifer: all right. tell us what does the success of these bills mean for the democratic party in...
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you need to know this earlier this year michigan's republican governor rick snyder attended a hearing on capitol hill to talk about state economies and job creation he was asked about controversial right to work for less laws that starve unions of critical funding and leave working people collecting smaller paychecks with fewer benefits and vulnerable to more workplace accidents is what governor snyder had to say about these. right to work is an issue that's a very divisive issue people feel very strongly about it so right to work is an issue that may have its time and place but i don't believe it's appropriate michigan during two thousand and twelve i don't believe it's appropriate michigander in two thousand and twelve that's what snyder said earlier this year and yet at his behest at the end of. last week his republican colleagues in the state house and senate jammed through a right to work for less law in a rushed thursday evening vote as scores of labor protesters organized outside the state capitol only to call his fellow republicans to help him make michigan a right to work for
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coming up tonight on the big picture despite thousands of protesters packing the state capitol tens of michigan republican state legislators today asked the republican governor rick snyder signed into law a highly controversial right to work for less bill with more and more states passing right to work for less laws what's the future of labor and in america and are we witnessing it's slow death also millions of senior citizens in the u.s. rely on medicare for life saving health care but republicans in congress don't seem to care are they launching an all out assault on medicare what's the real story behind that and republicans are just trying to destroy medicare they're trying to get rid of social security to the republicans only attacking social security because they're afraid to admit that it proves government can work. you need to know this michigan is now a right to work for a lot of state republicans rammed through the law this afternoon and was promptly sign behind closed doors our republican governor rick snyder in response as many as fifty thousand workers converged on the michigan stat
coming up tonight on the big picture despite thousands of protesters packing the state capitol tens of michigan republican state legislators today asked the republican governor rick snyder signed into law a highly controversial right to work for less bill with more and more states passing right to work for less laws what's the future of labor and in america and are we witnessing it's slow death also millions of senior citizens in the u.s. rely on medicare for life saving health care but...
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in michigan we've had a statute for some time. we had some controversy and we're under the old statute now. this goes back to many years where we had emergency manager status. they can come in, work with the city and resolve the issues in a more efficient fashion than the traditional way. get to an emergency like this, the traditional way wasn't working. >> aren't you at that point? i mean the unemployment rate, of course, in october of '09 is 25.5. i imagine a lot of people were discouraged and left and that's the decline to 18.9 but that's more than twice the national average. around you at an emergency in detroit? >> detroit has been in crisis for a long time. i think we should always try to work with the locally elected leaders first. my goal is not to run any particular city, it's to be a supportive partner. we've worked hard to strive to do that. we achieved results but now we aren't seeing the progress and we need to push ahead and get it resolved and better services to detroiters. >> i look at it from afar, because i don't
in michigan we've had a statute for some time. we had some controversy and we're under the old statute now. this goes back to many years where we had emergency manager status. they can come in, work with the city and resolve the issues in a more efficient fashion than the traditional way. get to an emergency like this, the traditional way wasn't working. >> aren't you at that point? i mean the unemployment rate, of course, in october of '09 is 25.5. i imagine a lot of people were...
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i yield to the gentleman from michigan. >> mr. speaker, i rise in opposition to this rule and the underlying bills. in the dead of night, five days before christmas, republicans introduced legislation they are rushing to the floor to get funding for health care, food assistance, and other vital services. christmas is a season of giving. but republicans are taking food off of the table of millions of americans by cutting food assistance by $36 billion. taking the unemployment lifeline away from 2 million americans who are trying to get back on their feet. taking funding away from block grants that provide productive services for abused children. why would republicans insist on taking so much away from our families during this holiday season? so they can give an average $50,000 tax breaks to millionaires. i urge my colleagues to stand up for millions of children and workers who are facing in real cliff. vote no on the rule and the bill. >> at this time, i am happy to yield two minutes to a colorful calling from the ways and means co
i yield to the gentleman from michigan. >> mr. speaker, i rise in opposition to this rule and the underlying bills. in the dead of night, five days before christmas, republicans introduced legislation they are rushing to the floor to get funding for health care, food assistance, and other vital services. christmas is a season of giving. but republicans are taking food off of the table of millions of americans by cutting food assistance by $36 billion. taking the unemployment lifeline away...
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i'm fascinated, also, by the politics of this within michigan and when's happening in michigan because this law which, you know, the final vote in the legislature will be tomorrow and the expectation is the republican governor will sign it and changes the political culture and just the working culture of michigan. talk about the right to work laws used to be just south carolina, used to be the old confederacy. to have it spread to the rust belt is dramatic. the story is governor rick snyder, republican governor, hard to believe now but when he was elected he was celebrated by the national media as the anti-tea party republican. campaign as a nerd, not so much ideological. he wasn't going to do the kinds of things in michigan that john kay sich was doing in ohio and the turning point when labor in michigan tried to put a constitutional amendment -- put a constitutional amendment on the ballot out there he took as an affront and he snider in response is receptive to this legislation but i think what's interesting to watch here just quickly in the next day is this. a group of democratic c
i'm fascinated, also, by the politics of this within michigan and when's happening in michigan because this law which, you know, the final vote in the legislature will be tomorrow and the expectation is the republican governor will sign it and changes the political culture and just the working culture of michigan. talk about the right to work laws used to be just south carolina, used to be the old confederacy. to have it spread to the rust belt is dramatic. the story is governor rick snyder,...
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issue for michigan workers. we have hard-working people in michigan. this is about giving workers choice. david: what does all this mean for the workers, for businesses and for the unions? joining us is michigan state senator patrick kulbec. thanks for coming in. i appreciate it. let's say what right to work laws are not. they not about outlawing unions. a lot of union workers have said, these right to work laws would outlaw, they're only about not forcing people to pay the unions if people don't want to, right? >> that's exactly it. collect tiff bargaining still stays in place. all we're talking about is giving workers a choice whether or not they want to financially compensate a union via union deals. david: why do you think the bills are necessary? >> for me we looked at the state of michigan and only state in the nation that lost population in the last census. i went off and did analysis and charted looking where everybody is going? when you look at the census data by almost three to one margin they're going
issue for michigan workers. we have hard-working people in michigan. this is about giving workers choice. david: what does all this mean for the workers, for businesses and for the unions? joining us is michigan state senator patrick kulbec. thanks for coming in. i appreciate it. let's say what right to work laws are not. they not about outlawing unions. a lot of union workers have said, these right to work laws would outlaw, they're only about not forcing people to pay the unions if people...
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that does not mean that unions have given up on michigan and maybe ball the governor who put this, does wisconsin ring a bell? that is not a surprise. but what is a surprise how they are doing it. this could be the union equivalent of the pledge by enforced by louder and stronger guys. they have no issue, a pledge not to break up unions. never mind this threatens businesses coming to their state or hiring more workers in their state, a lot figure out if they are not union workers, maybe they are knol not real workers,s such edstupid, and dangerous. do you want to know my biggest worry for the new year? it is not a cliff, i think will pass, stubborn politicians see the night. it is be on i union bosses who e their own members because they are fuse on see the light. why not stop? >> why not, because the essence of what we need in the economy is build rebuild, and preserve a stable middle class, after world war ii, strong union, businesses who understood value of a well paid workforce and government policies combined to create middle class in the u.s. was the envy of the world. neil: i agr
that does not mean that unions have given up on michigan and maybe ball the governor who put this, does wisconsin ring a bell? that is not a surprise. but what is a surprise how they are doing it. this could be the union equivalent of the pledge by enforced by louder and stronger guys. they have no issue, a pledge not to break up unions. never mind this threatens businesses coming to their state or hiring more workers in their state, a lot figure out if they are not union workers, maybe they...
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he want what is is best for michigan. >> eric: we have to go. >> dana: 57% of michigan agree. >> bob: why did they attack the innocent what did they have against camping? >> eric: they attacked a tent. crowder was trying to make sure no one got hurt inside the tent. coming up, truth about the most controversial scenes in a controversial movie "zero dark thirty." a lot of backlash over the waterboarding staged in the bin laden raid film. keep it right here. on "the five." ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] in blind taste tests, even ragu users chose prego. prego?! but i've bought ragu for years. [ thinking ] wonder what other questionable choices i've made? i choose date number 2! whooo! [ sigh of relief ] [ male announcer ] choose taste. choose prego. the red cross was down here all the time. [ man ] they've given us a lot of heart. in times of need, they're there. ♪ [ kerry ] my dad was watching his house burn. he turned around, and all of a sudden, therwas this guy standing there from the red cross. at a point where i had just lost everything, the idea that there was someone there... that
he want what is is best for michigan. >> eric: we have to go. >> dana: 57% of michigan agree. >> bob: why did they attack the innocent what did they have against camping? >> eric: they attacked a tent. crowder was trying to make sure no one got hurt inside the tent. coming up, truth about the most controversial scenes in a controversial movie "zero dark thirty." a lot of backlash over the waterboarding staged in the bin laden raid film. keep it right here. on...
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in michigan would lose. that number is over $46 million a year in dues. michigan, just one state. nationwide, we're not talking about public employee unions yet. let's do so, nationwide government employee unions collect, are you ready for this number? that is taxpayer money, going in the form of wages to the government class, if you will, public employees receiving and paying $14 billion in dues alone. that is what is at stake here. this is not just about money, it is not just about politics, it is about both. the right to power sought by organized labor. where does that money go? i have to tell you it goes straight to the president's party, the democratic party, during this election cycle, public system or unions and their afilliated packs gave of their millions and millions of dollars to the democrats, the demes received from those unions, think about this one. 93% went to the democratic party. 93%. notopoly that, unions made up a large part of the democratic ground both o operation on all , local, state
in michigan would lose. that number is over $46 million a year in dues. michigan, just one state. nationwide, we're not talking about public employee unions yet. let's do so, nationwide government employee unions collect, are you ready for this number? that is taxpayer money, going in the form of wages to the government class, if you will, public employees receiving and paying $14 billion in dues alone. that is what is at stake here. this is not just about money, it is not just about politics,...
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[ laughter ] >> dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes than, busting disgusting! if you want to win the rap battle-of-got to put some effort into it! you had one job at one factory. wouldn't you seize every benefit you could? yo! ♪ palms sweaty, knees weak, building chevys. ♪ ♪ like the volt, you plug it in and you win ecologically, because if it were an actual race, you would not ♪ ♪ actually, you have to go for the union or robots are going to take away our jobs ♪ ♪ or to the chinese kids with the tiny hands the work will go ♪ ♪ this opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo ♪ [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know militar
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in michigan, the parasites are looking fora i new host -- forcing michigan citizen who is do not want them there to be press into unions that they don't want to join. >> stop blaming the rank-and-file union member. they are not the ones causing this. it's the leadership -- >> yes, they are! >> after steven had his hans -- >> they pulled down a tent! it's not me! it's hundreds of people who were in a tent! come on, man! let's be honest! >> there were flame throwers and cancer patients everywhere. a little more dramatic. >> sean: thanks for being with us. the violence demonstrated by the union protesters is undeniable, the proof is in the footage. why did the mainstream media show none of this? we will look at the phony narrative. plus, tonight, we will check in with michelle malkin and much, much more as "hannity" continues. [ male announcer ] red lobster's hitting the streets to tell real people about our new 15 under $15 menu. oh my goodness! oh my gosh, this looks amazing! [ male announcer ] our new maine stays! 15entrees under $15, seafood, chicken and more! oothe tilapiawith roast
in michigan, the parasites are looking fora i new host -- forcing michigan citizen who is do not want them there to be press into unions that they don't want to join. >> stop blaming the rank-and-file union member. they are not the ones causing this. it's the leadership -- >> yes, they are! >> after steven had his hans -- >> they pulled down a tent! it's not me! it's hundreds of people who were in a tent! come on, man! let's be honest! >> there were flame throwers...
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>>guest: why would the president spent yesterday in michigan railing against something that the michigan legislature is going to do when we are facing a few days before going over the cliff? i don't get it. unless the president things he will gain in the short temperature -- term politically by going over the cliff but long term historians put the blame on the president of the up. it may look like a gain short term, but in the long run, is that really helpful to the president's reputation in 20 or 30 years they could not get a deal and push the country into another recession or a short-term recession? >> harry reid, the majority leader, would say very unlikely we would have a deal by christmas, ostensibly we are running out of days on the calendar. if that is the case and he quibbles that the republicans have not come up with specifics, are you against running to the clinton rates or are you okay where that if it avoids the hoops of looking for like revenue? >>guest: i am in favor of anything that gets an agreement. it seems to me, why are we focusing on that narrow part of this entire s
>>guest: why would the president spent yesterday in michigan railing against something that the michigan legislature is going to do when we are facing a few days before going over the cliff? i don't get it. unless the president things he will gain in the short temperature -- term politically by going over the cliff but long term historians put the blame on the president of the up. it may look like a gain short term, but in the long run, is that really helpful to the president's reputation...
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need to know this while tens of thousands of unionized workers made their voices heard in front of the michigan state capitol yesterday protesting their state's new right to work for less law conservative media was busy was something else they were busy trying to paint union protesters as vile at some point yesterday's demonstrations a tent belonging to the koch brothers funded organization americans for prosperity which was set up to help promote the passage of the right to work for less laws was torn down amid applause and cheers by union protesters take a look. was . cool thank you thank you as you'd expect conservative media outlets seized on this and for the rest of the day described protests outside the michigan state capitol as violence what really happened yesterday what really happened and how did the americans for prosperity tent really come down my next guest was there and has the real story joining me now is tom duckworth union member and witness to yesterday's protests tom welcome. they so what what really happened with the americans for prosperity ten times. ok you want to. arrive
need to know this while tens of thousands of unionized workers made their voices heard in front of the michigan state capitol yesterday protesting their state's new right to work for less law conservative media was busy was something else they were busy trying to paint union protesters as vile at some point yesterday's demonstrations a tent belonging to the koch brothers funded organization americans for prosperity which was set up to help promote the passage of the right to work for less laws...
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it also has ties to the family in michigan. of course, president obama weighed in on this yesterday when he was in the state of michigan. i think the president got right to the heart of the matter and was on point. >> these so-called right-to-work laws don't have anything to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. giving you the right to work for less money. >> joining me now is a reporter from mother jones magazine. great to have you with us, andy. take us behind the curtain and explain the relationship of the koch brothers and all of these right-to-work organizations that have been pushing this behind the scenes. >> what you see in michigan, behind the scenes as you say, are a number of grassroots groups that have names like americans for prosperity, michigan freedom fund and so forth. they are there to push lawmakers to pass right-to-work legislation, funded by some of the biggest interests on the conservative side. the koch brothers, we're talking about the prince family, eric prince used to run black w
it also has ties to the family in michigan. of course, president obama weighed in on this yesterday when he was in the state of michigan. i think the president got right to the heart of the matter and was on point. >> these so-called right-to-work laws don't have anything to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. giving you the right to work for less money. >> joining me now is a reporter from mother jones magazine. great to have you with us, andy. take us...
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now, it's in michigan. and what is going on is that when republicans particularly when there's a republican governor and republican state legislator they're going hard right at organized labor and also been a very chief ally of the democratic party. and so far republicans have been able to mess with organized labor and score political points in doing so. >> we have a map actually up with 23 right to work states right now and it was so interesting, mark, that the former governor of michigan john engler on with chuck todd and discussed the right to work prospect and when he was leaving the state. >> it was something that we always talked about but it was -- it was at that time in the region there were no right to work states. indiana moving to right to work status changed the game in the midwest. now your neighbor is able to compete dlimpbt r differently. >> i want to take the audience to michigan. president obama discussing the fiscal cliff. let's listen in. >> make sure your kids can go to a good school. ma
now, it's in michigan. and what is going on is that when republicans particularly when there's a republican governor and republican state legislator they're going hard right at organized labor and also been a very chief ally of the democratic party. and so far republicans have been able to mess with organized labor and score political points in doing so. >> we have a map actually up with 23 right to work states right now and it was so interesting, mark, that the former governor of...
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and in michigan. is there in your meetings, is there a strategy for coming back? are these setbacks seen as reversible? >> well, ezra, i see it as a reawake inning of people. dispiriting because the attacks have been so relentless. it's a attacks on workers, on planned parenthood, on immigrants. it's all connected in our minds. so we are reawakening and going to build a powerful movement that we're going to build power in the workplace, build power at the ballot box, build power in the communities. and make it crystal clear that snyder can't get away with this by building a more powerful worker community movement in the state of michigan and rebuilding a middle class, not just in michigan, but all across this country. >> supporters of these laws, i don't really like to call them right-to-work laws, i think it's just framing. but support sayers why should you, if you have been hired by an employer, gm maybe, why should you have to pay to be represented by a union that you didn't vote for and maybe that
and in michigan. is there in your meetings, is there a strategy for coming back? are these setbacks seen as reversible? >> well, ezra, i see it as a reawake inning of people. dispiriting because the attacks have been so relentless. it's a attacks on workers, on planned parenthood, on immigrants. it's all connected in our minds. so we are reawakening and going to build a powerful movement that we're going to build power in the workplace, build power at the ballot box, build power in the...
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what do you think the impact in michigan would be? >> i think the impact in michigan is going to be the same that we've seen in all of the other states that have passed this terrible legislation. and that is we're going to see wages decline. we're going to see good benefits decline. we're going to see workplaces become less safe. the fact is that this has not been good for economic growth in any of the states that have enacted right to work laws. they have unemployment rates that are as high or higher than michigan's. pushing right to work is the surest path to poverty that anybody could pursue here in michigan. >> there were some pretty big demonstrations last thursday at the state capitol to protest this. kind of reminisce sant of what we saw in wisconsin and ohio when those states voted on these union issues. what are you expecting tomorrow? what's your prediction? >> i think we're going to see thousands and thousands of people here in lansing who are protesting not just about the substance of this terrible legislation of so-called
what do you think the impact in michigan would be? >> i think the impact in michigan is going to be the same that we've seen in all of the other states that have passed this terrible legislation. and that is we're going to see wages decline. we're going to see good benefits decline. we're going to see workplaces become less safe. the fact is that this has not been good for economic growth in any of the states that have enacted right to work laws. they have unemployment rates that are as...
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i'm curious about the rank-and-file union members in michigan or the people in michigan, what are they thinking or saying about this battle? >> we've heard really from both sides. there's a group that support right to work that say they want more freedom from their unions but more accountability from their unions. right to work could give them that. the other side which is obviously the more loud voice right now of unions saying this will diminish their power and influence and hurt workers leading to fewer jobs, lower wages, and that sort of consequences. >> greta: would it be fair to say that the popularity of unions in michigans is split? >> i don't know if you could say it's split. i mean, obviously one side is louder than the other at this point. it's hard to tell. >> greta: indeed, we've seen the storming of your state capitol. that's been quite a sight which has certainly put a national spotlight on this. i don't know if it's something the unions and the governor want, but you sure got it. >> definitely. it looks like come tuesday that could be the same as well and if not possibl
i'm curious about the rank-and-file union members in michigan or the people in michigan, what are they thinking or saying about this battle? >> we've heard really from both sides. there's a group that support right to work that say they want more freedom from their unions but more accountability from their unions. right to work could give them that. the other side which is obviously the more loud voice right now of unions saying this will diminish their power and influence and hurt...
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>> well where we are seeing it is michigan michigan is coming back. i was interviewed by some woman from cnn yesterday. she said michigan's hemorrhaging jobs. i was like shocked. >> bill: where has she been? >> i am sitting there going, i couldn't believe i heard this on this headset. she said michigan is hemorrhaging jobs. isn't this going to help? i said where are you at? michigan is the comeback state. we are the one that's doing better. our unemployment is lower than the national average. we are hiring people in the auto industry. manufacturing is coming back. the teamsters we are getting more employees. there is no way about it. this is a setback. this is basically a continuation of the right-wing conspiracy, the tea party, and this is, you know, the karl roves, the grover norquists, the sheldon adelsons and the koch brothers. this is the same thing. this just didn't happen. this isn't the will of the people of michigan right now we are fighting this in new hampshire. we are fighting it in missouri and other states. b they get a republican govern
>> well where we are seeing it is michigan michigan is coming back. i was interviewed by some woman from cnn yesterday. she said michigan's hemorrhaging jobs. i was like shocked. >> bill: where has she been? >> i am sitting there going, i couldn't believe i heard this on this headset. she said michigan is hemorrhaging jobs. isn't this going to help? i said where are you at? michigan is the comeback state. we are the one that's doing better. our unemployment is lower than the...